[Blink] Blink Chat

Mike Nagie promike1987 at gmail.com
Mon May 2 17:37:30 CEST 2016


Thank you for the clarification. 
I've never thought Wikipedia could be that wrong and misleading.

Mike


On 16-05-02 11:55:03, Adrian Georgescu wrote:
>      "SIP SIMPLE messaging”
> 
>    That is wrong as that means MSRP protocol only and they did not implement
>    it.
>    SMS is an old form of sending messages using a SIP protocol method called
>    MESSAGE. This has nothing to do with SIP SIMPLE standards which emerged
>    several years after.
>    The wikipedia page is poorly written in general and confusing starting
>    with the title:
>    “SIMPLE (instant messaging protocol)“
>    SIMPLE is a set of extensions for SIP protocol for presence, multi-party
>    chat, and file transfers. It is not an “instant message protocol’.
>    Adrian
> 
>      On 02 May 2016, at 11:47, Mike Nagie <[1]promike1987 at gmail.com> wrote:
>      Got it, thank you!
> 
>      My information is based on these:
>      [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSipSimple
>      The key features of this software are: [...] SIP SIMPLE messaging [...]
> 
>      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIMPLE_(instant_messaging_protocol)
>      SIMPLE, the session initiation protocol for instant messaging and
>      presence leveraging extensions, is an instant messaging (IM) and
>      presence protocol suite...
> 
>      Purpose; sending short messages, analogous to SMS or two-way paging;
> 
>      See also; Message Session Relay Protocol (MSRP)
> 
>      I hope I haven't taken out of context.
> 
>      On 16-05-02 10:49:57, Adrian Georgescu wrote:
> 
>            On 02 May 2016, at 10:31, Mike Nagie <[1]promike1987 at gmail.com>
>        wrote:
>            I did a tiny research. Theoretically CSipSimple uses SIP SIMPLE
>        protocol
>            for instant messaging.
> 
>          No, it does not. SIMPLE is a set of specifications for chat and
>        presence. 
>          [2]https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/simple/documents/
>          For SIMPLE chat, MSRP protocol has been defined.
>          [3]https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4975
> 
>            I saw that Blink has SIMPLE protocol (Presence
>            Agent mode).
> 
>          Presence is not chat, is something else than chat. Nevertheless
>        Blink
>          implements both chat and presence from SIMPLE specifications and
>           CSipSimple implements neither of them.
> 
>            Does it mean they can communicate with each other?
> 
>          No, they cannot as CSipSimple has not implemented anything from SIP
>        SIMPLE
>          specifications.
>          I am not sure they claimed otherwise either, where have you see that
>          CSipSimple implements SIMPLE specs?
> 
>            On 16-04-27 10:16:58, Adrian Georgescu wrote:
> 
>              Blink uses MSRP protocol standardised for session based chat.
>        Eking
>              does not implement his protocol.
> 
>              [4]https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4975
> 
>              Adrian
> 
>                On 27 Apr 2016, at 09:08, Mike Nagie <promike1987 at gmail.com>
>        wrote:
> 
>                I was wondering how chat actually works?
> 
>                I use Blink, of course, and the others either Ekiga client or
>                CSipSimple.
> 
>                When I sent something with Ekiga client in the past, the
>        others
>                received
>                the message. I could write messages and receive messages.
> 
>                So now, I'm trying to send something from Blink to Ekiga.
>                At the search bar I type "johndoe at sip2sip.info" and I click on
>        the
>                'start a chat session' button.
>                Blink chat window pops up and I see 'Status Disconnected'.
>                I type 'hello', and Ekiga starts to ring.
>                Even if I accept the call I see 'Status Ringing' in Blink, and
>        I
>                don't
>                receive the message 'hello'.
> 
>                Other way around, if I write something from Ekiga, nothing
>        happens
>                here.
> 
>                Between Blink and CSipSimple (Android)
>                I opened the chat window, typed something, and Blink said:
>        'Status:
>                Not
>                Acceptable Here'
> 
>                Does chat only work between 2 (or more) Blinks?
> 
>                [I have not tested with v2.0.0 but theoretically CSipSimple
>        supports
>                video calls, and it didn't work with earlier versions of
>        Blink, but
>                maybe things are changed since then and this is not really
>        about
>                'chat', but the question would be the same, does video chat
>        only
>                work
>                between Blinks?]
> 
>                Mike
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