<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">"SIP SIMPLE messaging”</blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">That is wrong as that means MSRP protocol only and they did not implement it.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">SMS is an old form of sending messages using a SIP protocol method called MESSAGE. This has nothing to do with SIP SIMPLE standards which emerged several years after.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The wikipedia page is poorly written in general and confusing starting with the title:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">“<span style="font-family: 'Linux Libertine', Georgia, Times, serif; font-size: 1.8em; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">SIMPLE (instant messaging protocol)“</span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">SIMPLE is a set of extensions for SIP protocol for presence, multi-party chat, and file transfers. It is not an “instant message protocol’.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Adrian</div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 02 May 2016, at 11:47, Mike Nagie <<a href="mailto:promike1987@gmail.com" class="">promike1987@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">Got it, thank you!<br class=""><br class="">My information is based on these: <br class=""><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSipSimple" class="">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSipSimple</a><br class="">The key features of this software are: [...] SIP SIMPLE messaging [...]<br class=""><br class="">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIMPLE_(instant_messaging_protocol)<br class="">SIMPLE, the session initiation protocol for instant messaging and <br class="">presence leveraging extensions, is an instant messaging (IM) and <br class="">presence protocol suite...<br class=""><br class="">Purpose; sending short messages, analogous to SMS or two-way paging;<br class=""><br class="">See also; Message Session Relay Protocol (MSRP)<br class=""><br class="">I hope I haven't taken out of context.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On 16-05-02 10:49:57, Adrian Georgescu wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""> On 02 May 2016, at 10:31, Mike Nagie <[1]promike1987@gmail.com> wrote:<br class=""> I did a tiny research. Theoretically CSipSimple uses SIP SIMPLE protocol<br class=""> for instant messaging.<br class=""><br class=""> No, it does not. SIMPLE is a set of specifications for chat and presence. <br class=""> [2]https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/simple/documents/<br class=""> For SIMPLE chat, MSRP protocol has been defined.<br class=""> [3]https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4975<br class=""><br class=""> I saw that Blink has SIMPLE protocol (Presence<br class=""> Agent mode).<br class=""><br class=""> Presence is not chat, is something else than chat. Nevertheless Blink<br class=""> implements both chat and presence from SIMPLE specifications and<br class=""> CSipSimple implements neither of them.<br class=""><br class=""> Does it mean they can communicate with each other?<br class=""><br class=""> No, they cannot as CSipSimple has not implemented anything from SIP SIMPLE<br class=""> specifications.<br class=""> I am not sure they claimed otherwise either, where have you see that<br class=""> CSipSimple implements SIMPLE specs?<br class=""><br class=""> On 16-04-27 10:16:58, Adrian Georgescu wrote:<br class=""><br class=""> Blink uses MSRP protocol standardised for session based chat. Eking<br class=""> does not implement his protocol.<br class=""><br class=""> [4]https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4975<br class=""><br class=""> Adrian<br class=""><br class=""> On 27 Apr 2016, at 09:08, Mike Nagie <promike1987@gmail.com> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""> I was wondering how chat actually works?<br class=""><br class=""> I use Blink, of course, and the others either Ekiga client or<br class=""> CSipSimple.<br class=""><br class=""> When I sent something with Ekiga client in the past, the others<br class=""> received<br class=""> the message. I could write messages and receive messages.<br class=""><br class=""> So now, I'm trying to send something from Blink to Ekiga.<br class=""> At the search bar I type "johndoe@sip2sip.info" and I click on the<br class=""> 'start a chat session' button.<br class=""> Blink chat window pops up and I see 'Status Disconnected'.<br class=""> I type 'hello', and Ekiga starts to ring.<br class=""> Even if I accept the call I see 'Status Ringing' in Blink, and I<br class=""> don't<br class=""> receive the message 'hello'.<br class=""><br class=""> Other way around, if I write something from Ekiga, nothing happens<br class=""> here.<br class=""><br class=""> Between Blink and CSipSimple (Android)<br class=""> I opened the chat window, typed something, and Blink said: 'Status:<br class=""> Not<br class=""> Acceptable Here'<br class=""><br class=""> Does chat only work between 2 (or more) Blinks?<br class=""><br class=""> [I have not tested with v2.0.0 but theoretically CSipSimple supports<br class=""> video calls, and it didn't work with earlier versions of Blink, but<br class=""> maybe things are changed since then and this is not really about<br class=""> 'chat', but the question would be the same, does video chat only<br class=""> work<br class=""> between Blinks?]<br class=""><br class=""> Mike<br class=""> --<br class=""> You may be a victim of software counterfeiting<br class=""> _______________________________________________<br class=""> Blink mailing list<br class=""> Blink@lists.ag-projects.com<br class=""> http://lists.ag-projects.com/mailman/listinfo/blink<br class=""><br class=""> _______________________________________________<br class=""> Blink mailing list<br class=""> Blink@lists.ag-projects.com<br class=""> http://lists.ag-projects.com/mailman/listinfo/blink<br class=""><br class=""> --<br class=""> You may be a victim of software counterfeiting<br class=""> _______________________________________________<br class=""> Blink mailing list<br class=""> [5]Blink@lists.ag-projects.com<br class=""> http://lists.ag-projects.com/mailman/listinfo/blink<br class=""><br class="">References<br class=""><br class=""> Visible links<br class=""> 1. mailto:promike1987@gmail.com<br class=""> 2. https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/simple/documents/<br class=""> 3. https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4975<br class=""> 4. https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4975<br class=""> 5. mailto:Blink@lists.ag-projects.com<br class=""></blockquote><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Blink mailing list<br class="">Blink@lists.ag-projects.com<br class="">http://lists.ag-projects.com/mailman/listinfo/blink<br class=""></blockquote><br class=""><br class="">-- <br class="">You may be a victim of software counterfeiting<br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Blink mailing list<br class="">Blink@lists.ag-projects.com<br class="">http://lists.ag-projects.com/mailman/listinfo/blink<br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>