[Blink] Blink Chat
Mike Nagie
promike1987 at gmail.com
Mon May 2 17:37:30 CEST 2016
Thank you for the clarification.
I've never thought Wikipedia could be that wrong and misleading.
Mike
On 16-05-02 11:55:03, Adrian Georgescu wrote:
> "SIP SIMPLE messaging”
>
> That is wrong as that means MSRP protocol only and they did not implement
> it.
> SMS is an old form of sending messages using a SIP protocol method called
> MESSAGE. This has nothing to do with SIP SIMPLE standards which emerged
> several years after.
> The wikipedia page is poorly written in general and confusing starting
> with the title:
> “SIMPLE (instant messaging protocol)“
> SIMPLE is a set of extensions for SIP protocol for presence, multi-party
> chat, and file transfers. It is not an “instant message protocol’.
> Adrian
>
> On 02 May 2016, at 11:47, Mike Nagie <[1]promike1987 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Got it, thank you!
>
> My information is based on these:
> [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSipSimple
> The key features of this software are: [...] SIP SIMPLE messaging [...]
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIMPLE_(instant_messaging_protocol)
> SIMPLE, the session initiation protocol for instant messaging and
> presence leveraging extensions, is an instant messaging (IM) and
> presence protocol suite...
>
> Purpose; sending short messages, analogous to SMS or two-way paging;
>
> See also; Message Session Relay Protocol (MSRP)
>
> I hope I haven't taken out of context.
>
> On 16-05-02 10:49:57, Adrian Georgescu wrote:
>
> On 02 May 2016, at 10:31, Mike Nagie <[1]promike1987 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> I did a tiny research. Theoretically CSipSimple uses SIP SIMPLE
> protocol
> for instant messaging.
>
> No, it does not. SIMPLE is a set of specifications for chat and
> presence.
> [2]https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/simple/documents/
> For SIMPLE chat, MSRP protocol has been defined.
> [3]https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4975
>
> I saw that Blink has SIMPLE protocol (Presence
> Agent mode).
>
> Presence is not chat, is something else than chat. Nevertheless
> Blink
> implements both chat and presence from SIMPLE specifications and
> CSipSimple implements neither of them.
>
> Does it mean they can communicate with each other?
>
> No, they cannot as CSipSimple has not implemented anything from SIP
> SIMPLE
> specifications.
> I am not sure they claimed otherwise either, where have you see that
> CSipSimple implements SIMPLE specs?
>
> On 16-04-27 10:16:58, Adrian Georgescu wrote:
>
> Blink uses MSRP protocol standardised for session based chat.
> Eking
> does not implement his protocol.
>
> [4]https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4975
>
> Adrian
>
> On 27 Apr 2016, at 09:08, Mike Nagie <promike1987 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I was wondering how chat actually works?
>
> I use Blink, of course, and the others either Ekiga client or
> CSipSimple.
>
> When I sent something with Ekiga client in the past, the
> others
> received
> the message. I could write messages and receive messages.
>
> So now, I'm trying to send something from Blink to Ekiga.
> At the search bar I type "johndoe at sip2sip.info" and I click on
> the
> 'start a chat session' button.
> Blink chat window pops up and I see 'Status Disconnected'.
> I type 'hello', and Ekiga starts to ring.
> Even if I accept the call I see 'Status Ringing' in Blink, and
> I
> don't
> receive the message 'hello'.
>
> Other way around, if I write something from Ekiga, nothing
> happens
> here.
>
> Between Blink and CSipSimple (Android)
> I opened the chat window, typed something, and Blink said:
> 'Status:
> Not
> Acceptable Here'
>
> Does chat only work between 2 (or more) Blinks?
>
> [I have not tested with v2.0.0 but theoretically CSipSimple
> supports
> video calls, and it didn't work with earlier versions of
> Blink, but
> maybe things are changed since then and this is not really
> about
> 'chat', but the question would be the same, does video chat
> only
> work
> between Blinks?]
>
> Mike
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> Visible links
> 1. mailto:promike1987 at gmail.com
> 2. https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/simple/documents/
> 3. https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4975
> 4. https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4975
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